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بداية نرحب بالسيد كمال يلدا مرقوز عضو برلمان كوردستان عن قائمة المجلس الشعبي الكلداني السرياني الاشوري اهلا وسهلا بك ضيفا على موقع عمكاباد

عمكاباد/ استاذ كمال بشكل مفصل كيف ترى واقع عنكاوا الان؟

واقع عنكاوا مؤلم، ولكن اذا قارناه بباقي الاقضية والنواحي الموجودة في اقليم كوردستان في الوقت الحاضر، فوضعنا نحن احسن لانه النسبة الكبيرة من المسيحيين لحد الان يعيشون في عنكاوا، فالى الان نجد عنكاوا محافظة على تقاليدها وثقافتها وتراثها، بشكل متميز عن باقي المناطق الاخرى، والى الان تقاليدنا المسيحية موجودة بوضوح من خلال المدارس والكنائس ناشرين قيم المسيح من محبة وتعاون وبناء الانسان المسيحي.

عمكاباد/ هل تشهد عنكاوا تشهد تغييرا ديمغرافيا ؟

التغيير الديمغرافي موجود بشكل جدا قليل ليس بذاك الحساب الذي نقول فيه انه التغيير الديمغرافي اثر على عنكاوا بشكل عام لكون بناء فندق او فندقين او عشرة في عنكاوا هذا لا يؤدي الى التغيير الديمغرافي وانما بيع الارض وبيع الملك وبيع البيت وبناء عمارات سكنية وامتلاكها لغير المسيحيين، هذا هو الذي يؤدي الى مستقبل البعيد الى التغيير الديمغرافي وخوفنا من هذه النقطة ونحن حذرين منها جدا، والسبب يرجع الى اهالينا هم اثروا على هذه القضية وباعوا املاكهم وهاجروا الى الخارج بلاد.

عمكاباد/حاليا نحن في عام 2015 ما تراه انت وكونك من عائلة عريقة في عنكاوا هل التغيير موجود ام لا؟

التغيير موجود ولكنه قليل ولا يؤثر نسبيا.. كون نسبة الكبيرة من سكان عنكاوا هم مسيحيين

عمكاباد/ بالبداية تحدثت عن دور الكنيسة والمدرسة في عنكاوا وهذا طابع نراه الان ايضا وهذا دليل بان عنكاو بخير لحد الان ، ولكن الشارع يرى عكس ذلك فهنالك من يعتقد انه لاوجود لاسم عنكاوا الان، من اي منظور تتكلمون ؟

عنكاوا موجودة في قلوب من يسكنها الذي قد يكون غريب ايضا، فقيم التسامح والمحبة المسيحية فتحت عنكاوا ابوابها للنازحين بسبب الهجمة البربرية والهجومات المجرمة من قبل العصابات المجرمة الذين لا يعرفون لا حضارة ولا دين هجموا على سهل نينوى وادى الى عدد كبير من نزوح الى عنكاوا هذا ليس تغيير ديموغرافي ، فانشاءالله سوف يرجعون الى مناطقهم ومنازلهم.

عمكاباد/ انت تربط موضوع عنكاوا بما بعد داعش لكن عنكاوا تشهد تغيير مستمر منذ بداية سقوط نظام السابق وليس الان؟

عنكاوا قبل كانت محصورة، الان بعد ان اتوا اليها الكثير من مناطق متعددة، اكيد ليست مثل قبل.

عمكاباد/ انتم كاعضاء برلمان ماذا عملتم للحد من وقف التغيير الديمغرافي؟

نحن منذ اليوم الاول ، يوم رشحنا لبرلمان كوردستان ولخدمة اهالينا وشعبنا، نعاني الكثير من المشاكل دفاعا عن حقوقنا من خلال البرلمان، ولحد الان نحن جاهدين ومستمرين على هذا النهج والحمدالله الكتل الموجودة في برلمان من المسيحيين متفقين ونعمل بخط واحد وبمذكرات وبطاليب واحدة

عمكاباد/ على ارض الواقع ماذا قدمتم؟

لحد الان الذي قدمناه هو الكثير ومستقبلا كله سيبان على الارض، اولا حقوق اللغات الرسمية ولكن لحد الان مديرية ناحية عنكاوا لم تطبقها بشكل رسمي وفعلي، والذي هو قطع الشوارع باسماء تاريخية وقطع الدوائر والمدارس ان تكون باللغة الرسمية الموجودة.

عمكاباد/ وماذا عن اعمار عنكاوا وتغيير ما تعاني منه من مشاكل؟

حاليا لدينا ملف خاص بالتغييرات والتجاوزات الموجودة على اربيل بشكل عام وعلى المناطق المسيحية وخاصة عنكاوا قدمناه الى رئاسة البرلمان واكدنا عليه مرارا وتكرارا ومشكورين الشباب ومنظمات المجتمع المدني واهالي عنكاوا الذين ساندونا وساعدونا وراجعوا البرلمان حول هذا الصدد الملف موجود في رئاسة حكومة كوردستان وفي حالة ان يتاخر عن الفترة المعينة اذا تاخر عن المعقول سوف نؤكد عليهم من اجل ان يؤخذ بعين الاعتبار

عمكاباد/ ماذا في حالة التاخير عن الموعد المحدد؟

لدينا رسالة شاملة حول المشاكل والمظالم التي حصلت لمسيحيي عنكاوا

عمكاباد/ انتم ذكرتم من بعد تقديم مذكرتكم اذا لم يتم اخذ اي خطوات عملية ستقدومن استقالتكم؟

الاستقالة ليست الحل وانما نحن جئنا لخدمة المواطن ولم نقصر بذلك ابدا وهذا هو هدفنا، ولكن على الشباب والمنظمات ان يساندوننا وان نعمل معا من اجل تحقيق مطالبنا.

عمكاباد/ لكي نكون في الصورة، الشباب قدموا مذكرة.. هل وصلت المذكرة لكم؟

المذكرة وصلت والتقينا الشباب كذا مرة وجلسنا معهم وتحدثنا معهم ونحن بدورنا وصلنا هذه المطاليب الى الجهات المعنية

عمكاباد/ بعد ان حددتم فترة زمنية لتحقيق مطالبكم اذا لم يتحقق شئ من اجل عنكاوا ماذا ستفعلون ؟

لكل حادث حديث

عمكاباد / ممكن ان يكون الحديث عن طلب للتظاهر السلمي او تنظيم مسيرة من قبلكم من اجل الضغط اكثر كما يطالب البعض ؟

نحن لن نقوم بتنظيم اي تظاهرة او مسيرة لكن في حال قيام اي تظاهرة نحن سنكون مع المتظاهرين.

عمكاباد/ الشباب يقومون بالتحركات التي تهدف الى تقليل عدد البارات والمساجات المنتشرة في عنكاوا، فهل تراقبون وضع البارات والمساجات في عنكاوا؟

تصلنا المعلومات ونحن مع الشباب واهالي عنكاوا والمتضررين من هذه الاماكن، لأن عنكاوا ليست مدينة سياحية ، بل هي مدينة سكنية فالاذى الذي وصل الى اهالي عنكاوا كثير من البارات وسوء استعمالها.

عمكاباد/ كيف ترون تحركات اللجنة العليا للمراقبة من قبل محافظة اربيل التي قامت مؤخرا بغلق ععد من بارات ومساجات ولو بشكل وقتي. لاسباب حيث كانت لديهم مخالفات صحية وقانونية اخرى ؟

اللوم الرئيسى نلقيه على وزارة السياحية لانها اعطت بشكل خاطيء الاجازات و الموافقات في عنكاوا ولحد الان البار او الفندق الذي نجده مكتوب عليه خمس نجوم وهو يمكن لا يستحق نجمتين او ثلاثة فيكف اعطت وزارة السياحة لهم هذه النجوم.

عمكاباد/ هل ممكن تطالبون رئاسة برلمان اقليم كوردستان جلسة مخصصة لاوضاع عنكاوا؟

انا كنائب رئيس لجنة بلديات والسياحة في برلمان كوردستان ، قدمنا ملف عن التجاوزات وايقافها وقابلنا المسؤولين والوزراء على هذا المشروع.

نعم ولكن ممكن ان تكون جلسة ليست خاصة لعنكاوا وانما لكل التجاوزات ومن ضمنها التجاوزات في عنكاوا

عمكاباد/ انتم كقائمة مجلس الشعبي حملكم اثقل و اكثر من بقية القوائم منذ بداية اول انتخابات برلمان كوردستان وكانت لديكم ثلاثة مقاعد وفي الانتخابات الاخيرة مقعدين وكنتم انتم موجودون داخل الساحة السياسية. الشارع يرى تقصير من قبلكم ما هو السبب؟

لا يوجد اي تقصير ونحن دائما متابعين القضية

عمكاباد/ نعم ولكن هناك الكثير من اهالي عنكاوا والأسئلة التي وصلت لنا يقولون كل هذه المذكرات التي قدمتموها وتقدمونها الان هي فقط مماطلة ولتضيع الوقت لغاية انتهاء اربع سنوات للدورة البرلمانية وتبقى عنكاوا متروكة مشاكلها بدون حل؟

هذا عكس الصحيح ، فدائما نحن بمعارك وكلام خشن مع البرلمان بصدد عنكاوا والتجاوزات عليها.

 

عمكاباد/ ناتي الى موضوع الشباب.. هل هناك اي خطط لاسكان الشباب في عنكاوا؟

انا اولا اقترحت على بلدية عنكاوا بانه نبنيى شقق وعمارات سكنية عندما كانت الحالة الاقتصادية جيدة ولكن لم اجد دعم لهذه الفكرة..

عمكاباد/ الان هل يوجد شئ؟

يوجد اكيد ولكن بعد تحسين الحالة الاقتصداية التي تمر بها كوردستان.

عمكاباد / كيف تقيم إدارة ناحية عنكاوا ؟

جيدة لكن يجب ان يعملون بجدية و دقة اكثر .

عمكاباد/ ماذا بخصوص مقاطعة 390 في عنكاوا؟

راجعنا الكثير من المسؤولين حولها، وقابلنا وزير البلديات ومازالت الخطوات والمتابعات الجادة مستمرة.

عمكاباد/ هل صحيح ان وراء عدم اطفاء مقاطعة 390 ايادي خفية ؟

الى ان نصل الى الحقيقة سنكشفها، ولكن هنالك تاثيرات بخصوصها. حتى على توزيع الاراضي السابقة كان هناك تدخلات.

عمكاباد/ ادارة بلدية عنكاوا بشكل عام كافة خدماتها متوقفة وشوارع عنكاو تعاني من نقص في الخدمات. هل لديكم خطة لمساعدة بلدية من تنفيذ خدمات كونكم في لجنة البلديات البرلمانية؟

ليس فقط بلدية عنكاوا مشلولة بسبب الازمات المالية في كوردستان، بل العديد من البلديات لديها مشاكل مالية فقط يتعدل الوضع المادي انشاءالله ستنحل المشاكل

عمكاباد/ هل هناك تخوف من الهجرة الجماعية لابناء عنكاوا؟

لا نقدر ان نمنع احد من ان لا يهاجر. ولحد الان النفق الموجود امام المسيحيين بشكل عام مظلم، ونحن على مفرق طرق ولكننا لا نشجع الهجرة، وانشاء الله لانشاهد هجرة كثيفة لابناءنا.

عمكاباد/ دستور اقليم كوردستان سوف ياتي الى البرلمان وسوف يكون بين اياديكم لاعادة صياغة الدستور لكي يتم عليه استفتاء عليه من قبل الشعب ؟ما سوف تقدمونه للحد من التغير الديمغرافي والقوانين التي تخدم المكونات والقوميات في كوردستان؟

اكيد الفقرات التي تشمل المكونات الموجودة في كوردستان والمكونات هي نقاط ثابتة على الحرية وديمقراطية كوردستان واذا لغيت او اهملت فلا ديمقراطية في كوردستان.

عمكاباد/ هل انتم راضون بما موجود الان في دستور اقليم كوردستان قبل الصياغة على اوضاع المكونات؟

ظروف 1991 تختلف الكثير عن٢٠١٥ ونحن بصدد ان يكون دستورا مدنيا وان يشمل الحقوق لجميع المكونات المسودة مجودة وسيكون فيها تعديلات ونحن قبل جلسة الاخيرة قبل اسبوع كنا في حديث ومناقشات مع البرلمانين بصدد تشكيل اللجنة من 21 شخص لصياغة الدستور واصرينا ان يكون ممثل للمكونات في هذه اللجنة و كانت كتلة حركة التغيير رافضة لمشاركتنا في اللجنة وتم اقتراح بان نكون مراقبين فقط وليس اعضاء دائميين. ولكن بعد المشاورات وافقت على وجود ممثل مكونات

سؤال/ كيف هو تعاونكم مع باقي القوائم ؟

كبرلمانيين هنالك توافق مع بعض من اجل خدمة الشعب متفقين بالاراء والمواقف مع كل برلمانيي الشعب ، ممكن انا والدكتور سرود متواجدين في عنكاوا فيكون تواصلنا اكثر ولكن الاخرين هم يأتون من دهوك واراءنا متوافقة.

عمكاباد/ بالنسبة للوزارة، هي الان شاغرة هل ستبقى هكذا ؟

هنالك مرشحين اثنين من قبل المجلس الشعبي، فحصة الوزارة هي لقائمة المجلس، والحكومة هي المتأخرة في تسمية الوزير.

عمكاباد/ هل صحيح بسبب استقالة الوزير تم إعطاء الوزارة لقائمة اخرى ؟

هذا غير صحيح وانما مجرد ان الوزارة تدار بالوكالة من قبل وزير اخر .

عمكاباد / ماهي كلمتك الاخيرة ؟

في النهاية عنكاوا باقية وستبقى بجهود شابابها وشيبها وبسبب عراقتها ونحن مستعدون لمساعدة ودعم الشباب في مطاليبهم من اجل خير عنكاوا وتقدمها .

 

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