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اجرى اللقاء: وسيم اسكندر ] سلوان امجد لطيف مقادسي من مواليد 1967 نينوى حاصل على شهادة البكالوريوس في الهندسة المدنية من جامعة الموصل 1988- 1989 ، عضو في نقابة مهندسي كردستان ونينوى وعضو في جمعية رجال اعمال نينوى. في بداية عملك في مجال اختصاصك هل كان في القطاع الخاص أم الحكومي وأين؟ بدأت حياتي العملية في القطاع الخاص وتحديدا في (سد بادوش) ثم في معمل ادوية نينوى بعدها في الطاقة الحرارية في حمام العليل بعدها بالسكك الحديد في القيارة بعدها التزمت بمشروع بناء كلية القانون والسياسة في كركوك بعدها التزمت بتعهدات بتنفيذ كلية التربية الرياضية في جامعة الموصل وكذلك مشروع الشقق السكنية لأساتذة الجامعة، وكذلك تنفيذ مستوصف الحمدانية. أيهما تعتقد يطور عمل المهندس اكثر القطاع الخاص أم الحكومي ولماذا؟ القطاع الخاص طبعاً لان المهندس في القطاع الخاص يعمل اكثر. المواد الانشائية الداخلة في البناء بالعراق هل هي بالمستوى المطلوب من ناحية المتانة والعزل الحراري؟ المواد الإنشائية جيدة من ناحية المتانة والعزل الحراري. هل تفضل توزيع قطع سكنية للمواطنين وبنائها حسب الرغبة أم بناء مجمعات سكنية ذات بناء موحد مع توفر الخدمات؟ كلاهما جيدان لأن البناء حسب الرغبة يكون جيد من ناحية النوعية ولكنه مكلف أما المجمعات فتكون مدعومة وبأسعار مناسبة وبالاقساط وتكون مفيدة لذوي الدخل المحدود ولكن مستوى البناء فيها يكون ذات مستوى وسط. هل يحتاج العامل العراقي الى دورات لغرض تطوير مهاراته الفنية ومن هي الجهة المسؤولة عن تطويره؟ نعم يحتاج العامل بين فترة وأخرى إلى دورات تدريبية لغرض زيادة مهاراته الفنية والجهة المسؤولة عن هذا العمل هي الدولة. يتحدث الاعلام كثيرا عن ازمة السكن في العراق ماهي الطرق الكفيلة بحلها حسب رأيكم؟ الحل هو انشاء مجمعات سكنية مدعومة من قبل الدولة وتوزيع قطع اراضي للمواطنين وصرف سلف بناء (العقاري) للمواطنين بما يتماشى مع واقع الحال. دائما نستعين بالشركات الاجنبية لبناء المشاريع الضخمة من سدود وفنادق درجة أولى وجسور ،متى سيصل مستوى الشركات العراقية والمحلية الى المستوى العالمي؟ لولا ظروف العراق السابقة من حروب لوصلنا إلى المستوى العالمي ولكن هناك العديد من الشركات العراقية الكبرى ذات خبرات واسعة والدليل على ذلك انه قبل عام (2003) لم تكن هناك شركات أجنبية وكان العمل والتنفيذ داخل العراق تقوم به شركات محلية ولكن مع العمل المستمر تزداد الخبرات. كيف ترى مستوى البناء بشتى أنواعه في بلدة عنكاوا مقارنة مع مناطق اخرى؟ جيد جدا من ناحية التخطيط العمراني وفتح الطرق وخدمات الماء والكهرباء والمجاري. نصيحة تقدمها الى المهندسين الجدد؟ العمل في المواقع والخبرة تأتي تباعاً . ما هي الخطوات الأساسية حسب رأيكم لتطوير الناء العراقي؟ 1- الاستعانة بالشركات الاجنبية المعروفة.
2- إرسال الكوادر العراقية من مهندسين وفنيين كل حسب أختصاصه في دورات تدريبية خراج العراق وفتح دورات داخل العراق للمهندسين والفنيين والعمال.
ماهي الصعوبات التي تواجهونها في عملكم؟ في كوردستان لا يوجد أي مشاكل أما في المناطق الاخرى من العراق يوجد مشاكل أمنية تؤثر على ايقاف الحركة العمرانية بالعراق. كلمة اخيرة؟ اشكر الاخ وسيم اسكندر والاخ ريبين على هذا اللقاء وكذلك اشكر جميع الاخوان في موقع عمكاباد واتمنى لهم دوام الموفقية والتقدم في عملهم. ]

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